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Plato 3 - February 4 2008 Plato 2 page 1 Plato 2 Gorgias pp...

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February 4, 2008 Plato 2 page 1 Plato 2: Gorgias pp 1-20: Socrates versus Gorgias Outline: A) the role of rhetoric in ancient Greece B) Socrates' question 1) definitions 2) Gorgias' definition of Rhetoric C) Socrates' proof that the oratory-teacher is responsible for students' wrong-doings
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February 4, 2008 Plato 2 page 2 What is oratory? (= rhetoric) 1) definition = formula saying what a thing IS NECESSARY and SUFFICIENT conditions single the phenomenon out. NECESSARY CONDITIONS: what phenomenon has to have. Humans are mammals not a definition because non-humans (dogs,etc.) are also mammals giving SUFFICIENT CONDITIONS: conditions which nothing but the phenomenon has. Humans are professors necessary AND sufficient conditions for thing: what it and only it is
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February 4, 2008 Plato 2 page 3 2) Gorgias' definition: craft of: definition 1: speeches/ words—too broad: all crafts included definition 2: speeches/words without physical “doing”: still too broad—arithmetic, etc.
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