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Plato 8 - Plato 5 overhead page 1 Gorgias 5 Socrates vs...

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February 13, 2008 Plato 5 overhead, page 1 Gorgias 5: Socrates vs Callicles continued Outline: I) Self-control II) Socrates’ proofs that pleasure ≠ good III) Microcosm and Macrocosm IV) The afterlife
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February 13, 2008 Plato 5 overhead, page 2 From last time: Callicles: "stronger" = "worthier" (p.62) superior should rule: I) Self-control /self-rule a) Callicles' ideal: good = maximum pleasure Callicles: temperate person: A STONE b) Socrates' model of pleasure: pleasure = sensation of satisfying NEED. Callicles' "full life" : SOUL= LEAKY JAR c) ? some pleasures good; others not? IF SO, GOOD NOT = PLEASURE
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February 13, 2008 Plato 5 overhead, page 3 II) Two arguments: pleasure not= good: a) simultaneity of pleasure and pain [bottom of p.69-71] premise 1): Doing well; doing badly: OPPOSITES. premise 2): Pleasure only exists while pain exists. CAN'T BE OPPOSITES Conclusion: So pleasure / pain are just not the same as good / bad pleasure/pain always simultaneous good/ bad never simultaneous good pleasure; evil (for you) pain
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