Philo 201: Lecture 8, 9/25/07, and Lecture 9, 9/27/07
At 17, one enrolls as citizen; so Athenian citizenship is a “club” that one joins. If the
Athenian does not like it then, he can emigrate. Whoever remains has in fact come to
an agreement to obey the laws
and the more one remains, the more one agrees.
Disobedience: three wrongs
a) wrongs parents
b) wrongs those who educated him
c) goes against agreement
Socrates committed to Athens
Socrates never left the city except on military service.
Socrates had children in the city.
Socrates could have requested exile.
(This argument would really be sufficient; why the rest of the arguments?)
Socrates worse off elsewhere
Nowhere else would be better for Socrates - Kraut argues that Socrates believed that the
Athenian democracy was the least bad of all the bad systems of government; this is
contrary to many others who think Socrates was pro
governed cities will be suspicious
Thessaly is full of license and disorder and Soc will be regarded shamefully.
Can’t take children to Thessaly; won’t friends educate children if Soc is in Hades just as
much as if he were in Thessaly?
“Let it be then, Crito, and let us act in this way, since this is the way the God is leading
Socrates and Civil Disobedience
Is there a conflict between
The Phaedo: A Platonic Labyrinth
The Platonic Odyssey,
P. J. Ahrensdorf,
The Death of Socrates and the Life of Philosophy,
People in the Phaedo
Echecrates, Phaedo, Xanthippe, Crito, Simmias, Cebes, Evenus, Philolaus, Anaxagoras
Pythagorean of Phlius, which is between Athens and Elis; an ally of Sparta.
Student of Philolaus and Eurytus of Tarentum.