Socrates and Plato's Republic

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Socrates and Plato 8/31 Baileys- 1 st philosopher, “everything made of water,” and has support/ reasoning. Wondered about nature Mysticism- truth (reality) is in some sense ineffable- can’t talk about it, can have revelation or be experienced though Socrates (469 – 399 BC) put to death by Athenians - He didn’t write anything, but was a teacher to Plato (serves as primary director in Plato’s dialogues) - Oracle: “wisest man on earth” Socrates disagrees but says he at least knows he is ignorant and knows nothing (Socratic wisdom) - Asks everyone to give him wisdom (Athenians)and how to live (to those who seemed to know b/c he wants to know) - Expose others’ ignorance (so he makes others aware if they don’t know) Socratic method- learn by Questioning - Support for defensible view on how we should live (believed it existed but not seen) No such thing as wisdom about morality and ethics If no objective truth = persuasion w/ language Socrates still seeked it. 399 BC- Socrates convicted of impiety (in Greek myths about Gods) and corrupting children/ people in Athens - Impiety (proper way to be holy) - Put in jail for a while after convicted/ death sentence – does not flee b/c “owes it to Athens” follow justice system - But it’s not just! “Better to suffer an injustice than do one” Plato (427 – 347 BC) – wealthy, politically involved Athens family - Supposed to be a politician; does not b/c saw what politics did to Socrates - Became soured to world, but not a cynic (realized how far humans were to worthy knowledge) Plato’s Dialogues Early (Socrates’ life) Middle (ethics, piety) Late Plato - founded Academy in Athens do educate, not fall into evil democratic ways, know how to form society - Univ setting- eclectic (politics, math, science, philosophy) - Interested in geometry- abstraction math - What we see around us- corruption, false, deceit “The Republic” - deceive- think philosophy about constitutional matters - General meaning of book- Res publica (public @ large – society) - Private, public, individual, social - Notion of Justice in society (not a cynic or mystic) - Inspired by math (useful relation to things) - *Nature of justice using reason (Utopia-like: Quest for ideal society)
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In Dialogues - Character Socrates in all writings- diff. than human Socrates a bit Plato wants us to criticize stuff Socrates acts as Plato’s mouthpiece - Glancon & Adiemantus (Plato’s real life brothers, more of his views, conclusions of Justice) We have not yet become cynics or post modern cos NOTION OF JUSTICE still exists 9/5 Book 1 Plato’s Republic - Socrates says, You say being wealthy is being just, but just is keeping contracts (etc) Justice - Paying debts, truth telling - What do individuals owe?
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