Plato and the Ethics of Rhetoric Final

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Plato and the Ethnics of Rhetoric Michael C. deGroot Comm. As Liberal Art Lecture Notes La: Socrates shows that rhetoric has proper domain. Rhetoric on “numeration” simply discuses “numeration. What is meant by this? Plato and the Ethnics of Rhetoric “Virtue is Knowledge” 1. Basic Data 1. Socrates taught Plato; Plato taught Aristotle and Aristotle taught Alexander the great. 2. Plato was known as highly skilled rhetorician (talk about your ironies) 1. Ironic: dumped on the sophist, but could argue our ear off. 2. Plato has his own philosophy; its hard to determine what Socrates said because its filtered through Plato Works 1. Some scholars believe Plato played practical jokes on Socrates . 3. Disillusioned after Socrates’ Death, Plato left Athens for twelve years. He returned and started a school (The Academy) that competed with the school of Isocrates. 1
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Plato and the Ethnics of Rhetoric 1. Both hated the sophist, however. 4. Traditions says that Plato and Isocrates were friends (or, at least, friendly rivals). 1. Friendly Rivals – Sometimes Plato does little jabbing at Isocrates at the end of his writings. 5. Virtue is Knowledge 1. If you don’t know what your talking about, then you’re a bull shitter. 2. Virtue begins…… 1. Knowing what you’re talking about 2. Bringing that knowledge to other people 3. Am I bringing it ethical so everyone is guided to the best route as possible. 3. The end of rhetoric is always an ethical end – we don’t enter the game without some set of values guiding communication. 1. Values lead us to something good or something worse. 2. We cannot escape the game 4. Some Scholars hate Plato because it near impossible to achieve his model, but it causes us to aim high. 1. Most of us fail to meet his model; if we fail to meet up to the model then we are not leading people to best possible route. 1. Its suppose to be hard: So your always striving for best. 2. Model designed to strive for what’s best. 6. Plato Academy 2
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Plato and the Ethnics of Rhetoric 1. All about seeking the truth and bring it to the other people 2. The Goal is accomplish good for others which always comes from philosophy. 3. Plato has to write something about rhetoric because Athens is obsessed with it. 1. Everyone focus on communication, in the process there buying into sophists bullshit. 2. Distinctions between the schools of Isocrates and Plato (and a point about Plato) 1. Plato’s school taught philosophy as the chief study. Isocrates school was politically powerful. 1. Isocrates school focused on rhetorical technique. 2. Plato’s school was the lesser school. Isocrate’s school was politically powerful. 1. Plato school was less conventional much like UC Irvine while Isocrates school was popular like USC 3
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Plato and the Ethnics of Rhetoric 1. Isocrates school produced rock stars. 2.
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