Cl36Sp08L4_Rp2_Ab - CLASSICS 36: L ECTURE F OUR R EPUBLIC B...

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C LASSICS 36: L ECTURE F OUR R EPUBLIC B OOK 2: T HE C HALLENGE TO D EFEND J USTICE 1. Glaucon's three kinds of good (357b-d) 1.1 The division: (i) good in itself alone; (ii) good in itself and for consequences; (iii) good for consequences alone. 1.2 Justice is of type (ii), like knowledge, sight, health; cf. Aristotle Protrepticus: “for one would choose to have sight even if nothing other than sight itself were to result from it.” 1.3 But special problem with justice: consequences seem attainable by mere appearance of justice; so must leave them out of account if justifying justice rather than seeming justice (367b-d). 2. Glaucon's and Adeimantus' speeches 2.1 They get to make the long speech denied Thrasymachus (350e). Socrates isn’t trying to persuade people who “refuse to listen” (cf. prologue, 327c) 2.2 Gl. argues (as devil’s advocate for Thrasymachus) that justice is a compromise for weaklings (358e-359b). Story of Gyges’ ring (359c-360d) aims to show that justice is a good of type (iii), pursued reluctantly, because if we could choose to get its consequences without having actually to be just, and without fear of bad consequences, we would. The skillfully unjust person will end up happier than the guilelessly just person (360e-362c). 2.3 Adeim. adds: such praise of justice as exists only reinforces this “consequentialist” mentality. 2.4
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This note was uploaded on 06/08/2008 for the course CLASSIC 36 taught by Professor Ferrari during the Spring '08 term at University of California, Berkeley.

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Cl36Sp08L4_Rp2_Ab - CLASSICS 36: L ECTURE F OUR R EPUBLIC B...

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