MMW 2 Week 6

MMW 2 Week 6 - Apology Day Platonic/Socratic...

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Apology Day: Platonic/Socratic problem -Socrates didn’t write anything -Have some income, has a family Plato wrote only dialogues -Brings on people talking to each other -Never puts anything in his own voice -Presents Socrates as talking to other people Twice in apology – Plato is written as present in the court room -Phaedo – plato is mentioned as sick – cannot bare to see socartes’ death -Outside third body – Xynphone – to get an unbiased 3 rd body point of view? -he’s not a philosopher, intelligent though -admires Socrates, but might not really understand Socrates -not easy to see from his works about what Socrates and plato believes Hypothesis: -Plato must have gradually developed some of his own ideas in his long life of 80 years from what he learned from Socrates from the first 30 years of his life -dates are lacking -Last book – law – plato doesn’t appear, “Athenian stranger”
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-Presumably the four we read are early – death of Socrates lead him to write about his master in the four dialogues Apology -Apologia – defense -Plato not apology, being provocative – defense speech at typical Athenian court trial -Outdoors, maybe 1000 people attending, everyone could start shouting or murmuring at any time -We think 501 Jurors, all male, represented the cross section of the population, trial took place at dawn, took less than a day. -no DA, public spirited citizen brings the charge against you, 3 men bring the charge to Socrates -Nothing out of order, can say anything -Can attack opponent -Jury votes twice – guilty/innocent, second is what the penalty will be -If you don’t persuade 1/5 of the jury that the defendant had done something wrong, you get fined -Each side proposes a penalty Litigious -Would rather go to court than settle the suit by themselves -Athenians -Family shows up to get sympathy “Old charge” -what public opinion thinks of Socrates
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-Socrates is a well known weirdo at Athens -Old charge based on what people believe of Socrates as philosophos Philosophos -“fond of wisdom” – just means knowledgeable, intelligent, intellectual
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This note was uploaded on 09/04/2008 for the course MMW 2 taught by Professor Chang during the Winter '08 term at UCSD.

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MMW 2 Week 6 - Apology Day Platonic/Socratic...

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