Notes01 PHL - 1 PHL 301 Cephalus (Sect 1) Polemarchus (Sect...

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PHL 301 Cephalus (Sect 1) Socrates Polemarchus (Sect 2) Glaucon (Sect 4) Thrasymachus (Sect 3) Adeimantus (Sect 4) Wisdom Honor Gain Glaucon and Adeimantus – Plato’s brother who were inquisitive and curious / Favorable view. Piraeus, port of Athens 15 mi or more Nice walk Festival to the gods Socrates goes to Cephalus’s house Have some drinks Large mansion overlooking sea Cephalus a businessman / merchant Loads of money Money isn’t everything Other things more important than life Socrates pose philosophical question: WHAT IS JUSTICE? What is it to live a good and a moral life? What is the right way to life? Cephalus: “Telling the truth and keeping your promises (paying your debts)” Portrayed a good / kind man Socrates starts to question C’s views Leaves argument to Polemarchus Conventional morality: handed down morality (?) Let Polemarchus defend the Conventional Morality Polemarchus: “Giving every man his due” What if friends are sleazeballs? What if enemies are actually decent guys? Thrasymachus: Important character A Sophist An itinerant teacher Philosophical ideas: relativism 1
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All morality is relative to the society (?) Deny absolute values Most sophist from Asia Minor: Exposed to different views Right for only some according to Sophist “Philosophy begins in wonder” – Aristotle – T says: “the interest of the stronger party” (“might makes right”) If Morality based on convention, then it is convention, not based on absolutes, ergo relativism according to Thrasymachus (All values are relative according to Thrasymachus. What is good or right for one society or culture or person may not be right for others): MIGHT MAKES RIGHT Stronger party Socrates trips up Thrasymachus: Power without wisdom won’t lead to good life or society Will be shot to heck, If there are no rights, then everything will be shot to put. POWER / WISDOM SOPHIST / PHILOSOPHERS Sophistry: Into power, not wisdom Socrates show difference between lover of wisdom and lover of power Glaucon: Acting in our own self-interest Not interested in morality, if they could get away with it. Myth of Gyges: Found invisibility ring Killed king Married Queen Became Ruler himself We can’t get away with it Fear of power Right not because of righteousness sake but because of fear of consequences Much better to appear right (hypocrisy) Adeimantus: Nice to the other kids because they’ll like you Isn’t that just self-interest? Value that is intrinsic (good in itself) 2
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Value that is instrumental (good for what they could get us) Why be good? Tell us why is being good is good in itself: Why is it intrinsically valuable? September 7, 2006 PART TWO: Socrates is trying to answer the question of the intrinsic value of Justice: -Starts by making a city: Start with the larger and go to the smaller Look at state then look at soul Polis and the Psuke (Psyche) Use the analogy Automatically linking politics and ethics -Why do Humans live with others? Humans aren’t self sufficient
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Notes01 PHL - 1 PHL 301 Cephalus (Sect 1) Polemarchus (Sect...

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