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Com204 Lecture 9-29-08 9 Gorgias – is a rhetorician - sophist, very skilled - we hear Socrates voice but is Plato talking What is purpose? - to take credit away from rhetoric for any legal accomplishments - to define rhetoric in a negative way How does plato depict rhetoric? - doesn’t get you to truth - is full of fluff and no solid truths - while doing this Plato commits straw person fallacy which undermines his argument Plato’s judgment of rhetoric: “the rhetorician needs not know the truth about things; he has only to discover some way of persuading the ignorant that he has mere knowledge than those who know” In our terms: rhetorician is a liar and con artist *Gorgias admits that rhetoric doesn’t come from any subject, says rhetorician can know everything from nothing! Inferior to dialect “an experience in producing a sort of delight and gratification”
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Unformatted text preview: = flattery, compliments not totally genuine Mistakes Gorgias makes - - Gorgias says that a rhetorician must be a just man… What’s the problem with this? Do people always use rhetoric honestly? NO *Gorgias says you don’t have to know anything to be a rhetorician, Plato might compare rhetoric to diets, makeup and junkmail--Rhetoricans are not regarded highly by Plato b/c he believes they have no power What’s real power?? Gorgias says doing what you want and getting people to do it too ARISTOTLE Student of Platos, taught Alexander the Great, wrote rhetorical manual, “On Rhetoric”--His definition of rhetoric: “the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion”--believed good rhetoric didn’t necessarily have to be successful Aristotelian Proofs (different ways of showing evidence to prove your claim)-Inartistic (used)-Artistic (invented) 1. Logos – argument 2. Pathos – emotion 3. Ethos – character...
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