At his meeting with Mrs. Bread, she tells Newman that the Bellegardes made Madame de Cintré feel wicked. She explains that Madame de Cintré knew nothing wicked about her mother, but that was because she was afraid to know, but Mrs. Bread wants to hear about Valentin. Newman recounts to her what Valentin had told him, and Mrs. Bread is shocked, but she is also touched that Valentin thought so highly of her and died with her name on his breath. Newman tells her that Valentin wanted whatever information she possessed so that he could force the Bellegardes to come round to him. He explains: "I have been cruelly injured. They have hurt me, and I want to hurt them. I don't deny that." He wants to bring them down. Mrs. Bread is worried about what Madame de Cintré would say, but Newman thinks she entered the nunnery so that he would have a free field to work in.
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