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Unformatted text preview: 2/7/12 transcript12.html Introduction to Ancient Greek Histor : Lec O 16, 2007<< A ' H .A ' .W , P . T , H , ,I , , I' , I , A , , , , T -T O H A L C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ e 12 T an c ip , H , .I P ofe o Donald Kagan: P 527 , , , ,H H A .A P A , , , , , , , A .T , A , ' , , ' I .T ' A A D , D .T A . ; .B I ' H H H , .T , H 514 , , , , , O , .O , A , D . H ' G S D : , A K .I' , H A /transcript12.html 1/14 , A , , , H ' . I' A S ,K C 511-10 . B I' O .W , S .T S . , C , . 2/7/12 transcript12.html -F H W C .I , C , A A A G .I , ' , .S , A . S .I' A A I , S -, , R , , ' ' , .W , ' A J C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ /transcript12.html , A , A , .T ,A . ' , , . S C .B B S , I , , , .I , G ; , ' ' , A .B ; .E .I' , , , , .L , , , P , A a chon, , , A , -,I , ' .T ' ' , .I' . , . I .T S .T , , , ' .O , , , , , -. , , , . I S ,I 2/14 2/7/12 transcript12.html --I , E .I , , ' , .T , , I I B , C , .W , .W , ' I' S , .T ' , P , . I 511-10, C . , , ' .T , A , C A S , ?A .O .T ' , , ?T P , .T .B , .T ,I S .T .B .I , , S , I , , .O S , /transcript12.html ' . A P A W , , .R M .H , , .S C , , S A .N S , . 510, .N , ' .L ' , , O ' , , . ? .T , ' , ' C , .T , . , 508-7 , , 3/14 S T C .I T --I C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ 2/7/12 transcript12.html onl of aristocrats. Second, ver interesting and it turns out to be a ver important change--introduced b Isagoras was to scrutini e the citi en's lists and then to remove from that list lots and lots of people who were deemed to be, I guess those who were illegall enrolled in the citi en list. The were now going to impose retroactivel the traditional criterion for Athenian citi enship. Is our father an Athenian citi en? But we know that Solon had alread broken through that b permitting people to come to Athens and to acquire citi enship, if the had the necessar skills and there surel had been a fair number of those, and we are told, that the Peisistratids had done the same thing for prett much the same reason. So, over a couple of generations ou had foreigners coming to Athens and acquiring Athenian citi enship and undoubtedl using it, who are now going to be disenfranchised and driven from the citi en lists. Now, that made for quite a few discontented people in Athens. If ou picked a moment after which Isagoras has accomplished these two things, that is establishing the council of 300, which is obviousl going to be the governing bod in Athens, an aristocratic council, and driven "X" number of people from the citi en lists, then all of those people are going to be ver unhapp , and ver likel the have friends who are also going to be unhapp . So, ou have a situation which is b now means calm and settled, but it might have settled down as people, as the usuall do when things are unavoidable, when there is no real option. Nobod 's making a different case; the would have just gotten used to things, I suppose. But now Cleisthenes decides to do things different. He does not accept his defeat as he would have had to do in the old da s, having been defeated in the aristocratic contest. Instead, in the words of Herodotus, prohetaeri etai ton demon, he brought the people into his political faction. The root of that first word, prosetaeri etai, is hetaera, which means a club, a political club, a collection of companions. That's the name for these aristocratic societies and Cleisthenes broke the rules. He went out there be ond the aristocratic circle and he recruited people. You become part of m political faction. Well, wh should the ? Because he had a program that was contrar to the one pursued b Isagoras. It's one that will result, when it is successful in the establishment of what ever bod prett much agrees was the first Athenian democrac . The reforms that he proposed then--we have to imagine he actuall went around and electioneered. That was not done before that, and persuaded people to support him in his programs, and then he put his programs through. Well, where did he put these programs through? He surel couldn't have done that in a council of 300; it would never have passed, and I'm sure he didn't tr . Instead, he acted, I think, as though there was no council of three hundred. He did what ou would have done, if ou wanted to propose a bill prior to that. You would go to the assembl , whichwas the Solonian assembl , which had the right to pass laws. No doubt, it onl passed laws that the Peisistratids wanted, but it was not something new. It was something people were accustomed to and he went to the assembl , and he proposed his laws and the were passed. Well, Isagoras still had the whip hand and he wasn't going to sit still, while that took place, and so using the force at his disposal he drove, which was that of King Cleomenes and the Spartans, who came back again when called back. No doubt, what Cleomenes had in mind when he did what he had done originall , that is, driving out the Peisistratids, was the establishment of an aristocratic republic in Athens with his friends being in charge. That's what the Spartans t picall would do if the could. So, he was shocked and anno ed, I'm certain, when he hears his friends have been somehow pushed out of power and some new fangled kind of a government that lets ordinar people participate has been instituted. So, Cleomenes comes back with his forces and drives Cleisthenes, and we are told--this is interesting figure and I can't promise that it's right, but it does show up in Herodotus. Cleisthenes and seven hundred families, who must have been in his faction, are driven out of Attica. 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S , . /transcript12.html , , .B ' , , , a chon .I .I . , , ' , demo ' .A , .I , .A A , , , .F , I , , ' --I 420 , H , , H C C .T , ' A S .A , C A .F , ' ,I 8/14 , I' .B H , , , .H S D .W , --I , .W ,I , ' Poli ic ," :" , I ' , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ 2/7/12 transcript12.html One of he hing Clei hene doe , and he ha o do i h o gh mea e pa ed h o gh he a embl , i o enf anchi e he people ho had been h o n off he ci i en li . One hing ha o an o do, and o co ldn' ha e done ha , gi en he na e of he old con i ion. If o hadn' b oken p he old em of ibe , phratres, and o on, and come p i h a ne one hich o ld no ha e he old p ej dice again i . So, ha ' pa of he o . Again, A i o le o one of hi p pil -- he e' ome di p e abo he doc men ha i called he Constitution of Athens, a o he he A i o le a he compo e of ha piece o one of hi den . An a , he e' ha i a , " i h he aim of mi ing p he pop la ion, o ha a g ea n mbe o ld ha e ii he ci i en hip, he came p i h hi ph a e, me ph lokrinein, do no j dge acco ding o ibe." B i goe be ond ibe, i eall mean , do no j dge on he ba i of bi h. A i o le a i a di ec ed again ho e ho an ed o check on famil backg o nd. He goe on o a hi ne nomencla e, ha ' ha I j men ioned o o befo e abo o name, ha i , o a e no he on of o and o, b a he o a e of he deme o and o. He a , " o ha he o ld no b add e ing one ano he b hei fa he ' name and e po e he ne l en olled ci i en , b o ld call hem b he familie of he demes." Thi pa age ca ed a g ea deal of p le and conf ion among chola ho co ldn' nde and ha hi a all abo , and ha ' I hink, beca e he opic a mo l ea ed b he B i i h. B Ame ican can ee hi igh a a . The be a o p i i hi a --of co e o o ldn' kno abo hi . Yo li e in a co n ha i ab ol el p e and i ho p ej dice, acco ding o ace o colo , o e hnic o igin o eligion; o o on' kno ha I'm alking abo . B le me pa on f om an ea lie gene a ion, a da ke ime in hich I g e . S ppo e o ' e a man ho came f om he Ab i in I al , and o name a Gio anni DeS efano. Tha a fine in he Ab i, b in Ame ica he e e e people ha didn' ha e a high opinion of people i h ch a name and e e likel no o be opening hei doo o home o people like ha . So, o on in ead of calling him elf Gio anni DeS efano changed hi name o John S e en , and he e pon, e e hing a oka . Tha ' he a hing e e mean o be in A hen . Tha i o a , he idea a if o had a fo eign o nding name, and o fa he o ld ha e a fo eign o nding name, if he came f om a fo eign place hen he e led in A ica. Yo o ld be b anded in ha a and people ho an ed, and he e i a mo e pecific, o h o o off he ci i en li o ld kno ho o e e, b if o ook a good olid Anglo A henian name, h , o 'd be all igh . So, I hink ha i he e plana ion and i ' all pa of he ame pic e. Taking a a he adi ional infl ence ha o ld be an i-democ a ic and eplacing hem i h hing ha ha e ed ha , and aking a a he local po e , an hing ha macked of he pa , o o e a e a be o can. The p oced e, e all ag ee, i b he de ice ha he G eek called psephisma. I a a mo ion pa ed b he a embl , and i come o be he anda d fo m of legi la ion in he A henian democ ac , he pl al of psephisma i psephismata. No , he chola ho I a el ding o a fe momen ago Le i , he' go he gene al pic e igh . He a e ha e o nde and all of hi a pa ed on he a embl in a mood of g ea e ci emen and fea , and ange , a e ol iona i a ion in hich he imagined all ding o he e ol ion in S . Pe e b g in 1917, ha he a e ge ing p and ho ing, "all po e o he en ibe ." To ho e of o ho a e no in S . Pe e b g, he e e ho ing, "all po e o he So ie ," b I hink he' ong. I a n' abo he en ibe . The en ibe e en' he i e. I hink if he e e ho ing and I g e he e e, he e e ho ing all po e o he ecclesia, o he a embl . 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N hi g i he d ha e fa he e, e e i e hi ha e e bee ee bef e. The eac i f he he G ee a be e ca fig e a h . Thi i id a d c a , he ff ha he A he ia a e d i g, i i adica , i i da ge . We c ai e e a d a id bei g i ch i h he , e h d fi i h h e g ff. Ce ai ha a he a i de he S a a ica had a d i , a d d b ed he a G ee g e e , hich a a iga ch , ce ai he a e i f ie . S , I hi ca a i f ei he di ec i , bab h d a i f b h, b d ' i he i ha ha ' ha e i g he e i f hi e ecia cha ac e . Wha did he ca hi c i i ? We , e d ' . B he cha ce a e g ea ha he did ca i de c ac . The d de c ac , d de c ac c e f he G ee demok a ia, hich I g e d a a aea e hi g i e e f he a e , f he e e a a ge, he e e a a h e. B i a a a e ha a gi e he A he ia c i i b a e e h did ' i e i . Wha did he hi f he e e ? We , He d efe hi egi e a e f ei onomia, e a i f a , a d I hi he hi g ha ' i a ab i i , e a i bef e he a . Tha i , e hi g ha i e di i c i a gca e f e e he ba i he i c e he a . E e a h c e bef e he a i e a e e he a . We , ha ' a e big cha ge ha ace e e i he d had, a d I hi ha ' a bad a hi fi. N , f he i ci e ha be ged f he fi hi de c ac , a d a a be a c cia a a hi g i cha ac e i i g i a ha he ca ed i ego ia, e a i f eech ea . I ea e a i f he i add e he i ica b d , ea i g he a e b . E e A he ia a e f he fi ad ega d e f ha hi e a i g a , f hi c a , he he he a a he e highe , e e e had he igh ea i he a e b . N , hi had bee a igh ha a i i ed f c e a i c a i a ci ie , he ea h i he ci ie . B e f e f he e i he i h ce , i a i ed a he e ide ce ha a i di id a a a f ee a a ed a a e. He c d ge i he ce e , ha a he e he ed, f he , ea i g he e e he ee i g ace a , a d he ea hi i d a d a e ade hi fe ci i e d a he h gh be . We h d a e hi igh . I d, he e e e e i agi e e e i ch a i a i , i ' ha d g a b ac a hi . If I a I ca ge he e d i g he deba e ha ' g i g decide ha ha e . I ca a ha I ha e a . S , f eed f eech i e , e ce a he A he ia idea f e f g e e . The e f he bo le i ace f a i c a ic c ci e ha ce he de c ac . O he he ha d, hi g did ha e ha igh hi d ha e . N hi g a d e i he he e f he ec . The e a cha ge i S ia c a e i iege . Y i had ha e a ce ai a f e be e ec ed he hi g i he a e. The A e ag a ef ched, e ai i g a c ec i f f e agi a e , a f h had bee a i c a . The ph a e , he h e f a i c ac e e ef i ac . Y had hi h i e de c ac , hich a i deed de c ac , b e i agi e, I hi a he e ide ce d hi i agi a i , ha i a a defe e ia de c ac i hich he e ca e i ed he e c a e f eade hi a d g ida ce, a d he he e e did h d eadi g i i i he a e. I hi ha ' he ic e e ha e. We , e e a a a ic e f h hi g aci . O d g ig aci e hi g a ie , hi g i e ha . N e f he i e e i g fea e f he c i i i d ced b C ei ed ha e d ' ge a he a . I' a i g ab he a ha aci de i e f i, b i' e hi g i e diffe e . If eb d a da , i ea e' e g i g i i e hi f a d i ; e' e g ig hi a e hi g fa diffe e a d a a ce a a f he i ica /transcript12.html he e ; gi e a a ed e' e g hi e . 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T , ,I S ' .T A , A ostrakon, ?I , T .Y .N ' I , , .P , I , T A , , , .B T , C , , .T ' .H , .Y ; ' , L ' , .W S A S , , , S , -T ' , , ' A ', , ' , P , I' . , .T ' .T .S . .I A , .C , .I , E . ,B ,T , , ?W , .O ; ? .T ' . 13/14 ?C coup d' tat, ' .O , , , , .A ?T ' ' .T C , , , .W .W , ' , , ' ' C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ /transcript12.html 2/7/12 transcript12.html So, he e' ano he piece of fic ion I an o h o a o . I imagine ha Clei hene op b a he ho e of Hippa ch , he on of Ka ma , ho i a ela i e of he Pei i a id and ho o ld be looked o a he leading fig e in ha fac ion, and he op b o ee Hippa ch , and Hippa ch a , "hello Clei hene , a ha i hi o ine, ha i hi c a ne la ha o and o bo j p h o gh, hi o aci m la ? I hea in he ee ha i ' aimed a me, a he leade of he old ann fac ion, ha i ha ?" Clei hene I imagine o ld a , "No , he e did o ge a c a idea like ha ? I mean, o ' e a ell fello , I'm onl again he e e ible aristos o he e, and hei Spa an lacke , ho a e going o ake a a all he people' igh and I kno o o ldn' an ha o happen, ha ' no like o . So, of co e I can ee o poin , I can ee o a e ala med, I can ee ha people migh a , gee ho e old Pei i a id migh be ing o o e h o hi ne democ ac , and b ing hem el e back in. I kno Hippei i o e he e in Pe ia, ppo ed b he king and ma be people o ld hink o ' e fo b inging him back a a an . I kne ha o ld ne e be in o mind, b I ell o ha o o gh o do, h don' o come o e o m ide and I'll ee o i -- o kno I ha e f iend , I go a lo of f iend . I co ld do o a fa o . Yo do me a fa o ; I can do o a fa o . I can ee o i ha I o ld j kill ha mo , and e e hing o ld be e happ ." The ne da all i ell. I hink he e' con ide able e idence. I don' ha e ime fo i no --no ce ain, b e idence gge ing ha Hippa ch came on boa d and became pa of a coali ion ha led A hen fo decade af e ha ime. And o, ha ea he e a no o aci m, beca e he e didn' ha e o be an o aci m. I hink ha i e impo an . Mo ea he e a no o aci m, onl once in a hile, and e e ingle pe on ha e hea o aci ed a a leading poli ical fig e. O aci m, in ho , a mean o be a con i ional de ice o o k in he poli ical ealm a a a of de e ing a coup d' tat, ea on o o he fo m of n e . Yo co ld onl e i a a poli ician if o e e he pop la fa o i e. If o e e confiden ha he o aci m o ld go o a , if o held an o aci m and ha a n' e, o migh find o elf a eling a long a f om home p e oon, and o ha ' he e ence of o aci m and e'll ha e a look a i again beca e i c op p and i ed b no fo en ea af e i ' in en ed. Oka . [end of an c ip ] back o op C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX09.270/ /transcript12.html 14/14 ...
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