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Unformatted text preview: 2/7/12 transcript23.html Introduction to Ancient Greek Histor : Lec D 4, 2007<< S , G A , , P ofe o Donald Kagan: L W , S S .T ,I , P 450 S , 371 T S , K , .H .T -T ' ' 378 A B .O 375. O , .T , T , B .I L , .T , , , ' B , .C , .T T , --I' , .H , S C T , , ' , . S A .O , A , B A , B T .B ,I , .T N 379, S S , I' . T , e 23 T an c ip P A , G .A , G , , T T S , T H , I , ' , C A W , C , S , 378, 377, 376 , . L .T , T .T T , T C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 1/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html , B N T , T A H . I .W , , -S P W , S T .I T B , ' E S , T -' , O ' .T , S T ; B , .I , B B T .F , S T T , .T B , T , T .I' , L , T .B , I , ; .W ' .A .T T , B L , T , S P , .T ' -.W S T , ?I B ,I , . G , , , , . T T , ' ' T , I ' H C , .N T , ' T . , T .I ,T . B B .M , B . .I' , , , ,P , E , S B , .T , . S , , --I C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 2/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html T B S --I C I ' .A ' ' , , ." T . P , , " A B , , F R , , , .A , ' , F .S , , . S A 377 A , T T G 370 . T .T .A G .H .T , G A O T .N G W , , ; , ,D koine ei ene; C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 3/13 I T S B .T , .T , , 370 .T ' , , .T ' T S , A , C , , S , T .I , K P , E , .P A ' , , -' A T .S , A G 375 , , , S A C . , A I , ' ' , , --I S ' T , .T .H G 375. S , ' P . 2/7/12 transcript23.html G .T koine eirene G W .I' W , , .I' , .A , L , . N ,I K ' koine eirene, .T F B ' 375 S , B L A A A ; A 371 G G , B L , .T ; 371 . D .S , T .N , .T T , ' koine eirenee, , P B .T T L L .I P S . .T 371 , , , T de fac o 445 W .W S de fac o I , ' B T I' ' , ' .C , , , I I ' C W 375. ' S , , T , T S , S . , B .T 300 ' , S .I .AS T T -B , I' ?I ' .T ,E ,I , 375 ' ' S , .S , W , .I .T C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 4/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html Thi Sac ed Ba d a a e e d figh i g f ce a d i a a c i ica e i he i a Ba e f Le c a. 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The i h ce ai -- b d ca de ha he ca e da , b a he he e i figh i g a i ie 5/13 fE a i C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 2/7/12 transcript23.html T , I ' E , .W ,I , -, .I T .T .T ' ' ' . .I T B -, .I , ' .T . S ,I , ,E .T 300 S .T , B .N T ' ; E .H , S . I S , , , , , , I , T , , .A , , Y .T T A .I , I , d omoi, S . B , .S , , , S S T T , S , E /transcript23.html .I T -,E .I ' B , ; --I P .S , M A M , .S ,E .W ,I .W , ' , , H , .N , , E , .S , , , ' ' ?I , , . E M , . C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ 6/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html , B , .B , , ' W , .I , , S .B , I G .H ?V C , S S , G H T ' 700 S , ' S S T L T S ,I .A ' -, I , T ' , B ' T , B ; T .J A C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ M B , , ' , , .C T , I .T T G , .S , B T ' S . P , , S S , C , ' ?W .S ,I , T , , ' 400 .I P , , .T L L G .T G S .I , S T S , L . .H A T S ; . .T S , ' ; T .I .W S . ' .T , , .I ' ,C ' , E T . , ?O ; .S B G G ;I . B , B , T A , L S /transcript23.html P ' 7/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html S P S ,I . I , , ' , .T P S ; , .I 370, T .O A A , L B .I ' L .T .T , A , .T -I' .T .N .I I' .I , T A ,I B ' , ,B , , , ,I poli , ,M , , .T , G A .B W , I C S . A ' , B --,I .I , 1930 G , , , , C I B ' B ' --P , ,B .I .I F B W , R C . , U S 1920-21, , S .T A , .T T P , . --I' G , ,P ,A ,A .W /transcript23.html , J S ' S , .W C ' ;I ' ?Y ' I R C , I' H C ' . I' , , H ,I I' .H .H , .I A S ' A -- P T T N , , , T , T P .T ,E ,L ' .H , I' 8/13 C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ 2/7/12 transcript23.html -I , ' I ' I ?W " , ." A , , ' . , E U I I .A S .W A ?W , ; ; .B , , , T , ' S S , , T I' , ' ' I A Q , I I' N , , ' I .T . ' .T ' A .S , , M , I' ' , S , ?I . .N , , A N E .I' , .B P T .B 300. S , L E I E H , I G ; .A , P E .I P T I , .O .O C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html ' A A 40,000. N .W , ' .T S , ' . 370, 369. T , ' , 30,000 , S G . P 375 , , ' T , -.B I . , .I , ' 9/13 , .I ' 70,000 ,E , , P 2/7/12 transcript23.html , .I C P T .T L --I P .B , , , , -E P S .T ' , , .W -. ' E , ?H , ' , I , . I' .B . I , , , , S , S I . S A ' ' , , .W .W S . S , ; .I , , , 10/13 P I' .I , ' .W I .W . .N , .T .N S , , , , -, , .I I' .N I ,I ' , , I , . W , W I' S I , I' E E , .N , .H , ' , .N , ' I .B V H C H ' ' W , ; S G .H , .W , ?W , , , . , S H ' , .H ' , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 2/7/12 transcript23.html he people ho e e pe io e e ling o e people ho e e infe io , and he de e ed i , beca e he e e be e figh e han an bod el e. E e bod ho gh a he beginning of he a , ce ainl ha he o h had a be e mili a adi ion, and ha he e e be e oldie , and I hink he e e and ha he e e co ageo . Being a g ea mili a man mean being co ageo . All of ha j ified he em and p o ided he p ide ha made i po ible o o k. Well, She man an ed o ho i a n' o, and he e he e e b ning do n ho e and ba n , and food, and omen folk ha ing o and he e and a ch i , and he e a he confede a e a m ? The didn' come do n o challenge hem and he fel in he p oce , he a de o ing he m h ha a mo e po en . Well, I hink Han en ce ainl ha ha igh hen he alk abo She man, and i ' e a ac i e o hink ha ma be Epaminonda a af e he ame hing. He e e e he Spa an co e ing in hei ci , i o ld be aid, hile Epaminonda a doing a he liked i h he Peloponne . The e o ld ne e again be a ime he e people o ld accep he o ha he Spa an e e he g ea figh e , he g ea he oe e c., e c., e c. In an ca e, ha ' ha he did and hen--I hink all of hi i a i ed b ome of he hing he did and ome of he hing ha he ac all aid. He en o M cenae and indeed he en o he place he e he M cenaean had i hd a n fo ec i in hei ebellion p he e and he e abli hed, o e-e abli hed a ci called M cenae. I a po e f ll fo ified, i a p on a mo n ain, i a a place he e o co ld eall defend i , and i became he capi al of M cenae, hich o ld no be a f ee M cenae in hich he fo me helo , he fo me la e of he Spa an a e, o ld no le hei o n co n a he had no done fo cen ie . I a a libe a ion and ha a lang age ha Epaminonda ed of i . I had he ma elo p chological effec ha I am peaking of and al o a e p ac ical one. He e a a fo e on he flank of he Spa an , hich a con olled b people ho ha ed he Spa an bi e l and ha o ld g a an ee ha he Spa an o ld no ligh l gain con ol of he e e n Peloponne again. If o add o ha ha he A cadian had ffe ed plen f om he Spa an and e e n illing o allo he Spa an o i e again, and he e a Megalopoli , a alled po e f l ci ha o ld ee o i ha he Spa an o ld ne e likel be able o make hei a in o con ol of cen al and no he n Peloponne again. So, all of hi combina ion of po e and he a egic e of po e , along i h hi p chological a fa e ha a in ol ed b o gh abo he pe manen check on Spa a. Spa a ama ingl eno gh o ld eme ge f om hi ill an independen ci ill omeho aken e io l b o he , b ne e again in he po i ion of h ea ening he ec i of o he a e . No , ome of ha a happening began o c ea e a co n e fo ce a i al a doe . He e a hi bla an l democ a ic fo ce ha had been nlea hed in he Peloponne , mo of hich had al a been oliga chic. So, in A cadia he e began o be a e i al of oliga chic ac i i , people ho an ed o o e h o he egime ha a being e abli hed, and o e o e oliga chic go e nmen , hich o ld, of co e, na all be f iendl o Spa a and ome of he e oliga ch in A cadia began o a i he Spa an . We kno he Spa an e e fini hed b he didn' kno i . The G eek a he ime didn' kno i o ha --I'm j o ching on he high poin he e. In 362, b no I ho ld epo ha Pelopida a dead. He had died figh ing in The al again an a oc a he e b he name of Ja on f om he ci of Phe ae abo hom e don' kno a lo , e cep o a he go o be e po e f l indeed, and a p e oon challenging bo h Thebe on he land and al o challenging A hen o ome deg ee a ea and ho kno ho m ch o ble he o ld ha e made had he no died befo e he co ld do o. B Pelopida died figh ing in a ba le again Ja on. I hink i a 364. So in 362 hen he Theban again p oge he a fo ce o in ade he Peloponne , o p do n ho e fo ce ha e e o king again hi e lemen , i a onl Epaminonda ho a in cha ge. C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 11/13 2/7/12 transcript23.html A P E P T , W B 418, M L -362 T T .A G , B E M B , M .H , .W E ,I , 362, , ' . , T ' , S , T .S , .I , "B B , . T I -G ; .B E , .T .I .W D V G , G , .W .B G S , H T ' , .A , B , G , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html , ' , , S M E ' E G T .T , .H ' . M , G G ' .T , , . I' .I S , ' ' , , , , a onomia, P W ." N , T G ' E .T V ,I ' ? T M .X , , , Hellenica, G T ' ,I B ,I M . "S , , V ; .W ,I ." , , , M .B , G 362 B M . 12/13 , .T G , ' P W , . , 2/7/12 transcript23.html The e' ome hing o be lea ned in he e oo. I mean, if o had aken a poll of he G eek and aid, he e a e he dange o no , ha p oblem do e ha e, he o ld ha e been alking abo he adi ional conflic be een he G eek ci a e . No one, I hink, o ld ha e ed he o d Macedonia a pa of an hing ha looked ca , and, of co e, nobod o ld ha e e ed he name Philip, beca e Philip a n' e en king of Macedonia e . And e , i hin a fe ea , Philip o ld be he king of Macedonia, and i hin a co ple o h ee decade he e o ld ddenl be a eal menace f om he no h ha o ld be e h ea ening and e'll ake a look a ha ne ime. [end of an c ip ] back o op C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX06.149/ /transcript23.html 13/13 ...
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