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Unformatted text preview: 2/7/12 transcript24.html Introduction to Ancient Greek Histor : Lec D 6, 2007<< ' .I , poli . I , polei M , , , . S , , ' . W , 359 G .T .B , W G G , , W ,M .W " " , .B H , G M .I .T " L ; .T , .T " G M e hno -I ' P , G K G , G A , M .W , G ' , , I' ' , "P ,D P ofe o Donald Kagan: I I ' e 24 T an c ip F ' 362 , , , P ," ' M ' , polei G , poli . e hno , ' .T ; polei , . G M P O E . , .O , M , .I H , . , , ' G , ' ' M , poli , , , /transcript24.html -, .T M .S , .T ; ,I ,S , 1/14 ' P , ba ile , I T , , e hno e hno . C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html G G M ; H G , , A P , G P S ' A , A .I , H .W P W ,A P A ' .D .I' W . K T ' P , ,A , P A W ,P .T , , i hi, .S P T , , ' . , P ' , , W 359 , .Y , P - P E M M .O , , . M , A , H , -, I H .H P , ' .H M , I , , .I M G . , ,I , .S ,P , , , , , , M , .B G .T -, T .H E , . , P , /transcript24.html ' , , A , M , G T , , , , I T .C I P P ' 2/14 E , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html .I . I' G ;I . N , -.I , G G T .O .H ' ,P ." H , B I' I , , , , . P P , , , P , P ' ,I P -M , ' G .H E , , , G ' .S , , , ' ' A , G , , .H , "I .H ' , ' I .N , I .I , . , P , .T , .W M I , M poli G , , M .T ; .T ; P .T M A , .T . I , , I .T ' P .S .W , U S .A , , -, I G W , , , .N ,P .T . T , -.W T , , , , /transcript24.html , 3/14 C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html .S , , pe etairoi M , , . T P I' T , , , .T , . T , . I' .T O .T ' , .I I , , , , h paspists, . ; , ' , , , h paspists, hetairoi, ' , , G I' , , , G , , hetairoi P , .O . .T , M ' , P , ' , , , .T P M , G , , .Y , ' N , M , .P , .N . N , ' .T .W , ' .S , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ /transcript24.html . , , , M G , .B .N , ' ' .Y 4/14 I' ' , , , ; ' - 2/7/12 transcript24.html , .Y T , ' .I , , .T M P H , , N R C ; , , P N , , . ' , M , M , , I , .O I , . , G I , .E M M .O , P L . R , , M M , .T , .S , R L , .P , .T R , .W , , , R P , . M , .T , ' ; , .S , , ,P ' , . , I , ' , B.C., , M , . , I R , .S ,P , .S P , , , , .S , .H , , M C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ /transcript24.html , , . 5/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html N , A A .S , A A , , I 1,000 .S , P .I , .I' ,I ' , P , " ' poli ." I polei , , I' . .B I .O .D C P ' , P ' . , .B , G A A M.P .A A , -- W A ' ,I ' , ; , . W ?S J F .I . , ' P , , P .T ,I P O P I' , , ' I H S P W , W , D , I , , C H ' .I' . , ' I' A , . .I' S ,P , T E , , A A T S , .H A A P , A ' , ' , A A /transcript24.html M , M I .I' A .B ; .H ,A A , .I .W , 357 A . P G ?H ' O C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 6/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html P ' ' ' .B .W .S A , W T A T A S L I A , , P ' ', . , G .T .H W .T ocii, A A A , ' , I .T ; ' '.T , . A , ' . A C .T .T ,I 357 , A 357 355 G .T ' .H P A ," " . , 355? W ' A E , A D , O S , G .T , ,P ,L , , S W .I' .T .W , D .T , P T , . P , ?O D .B O , G O , , , ?W , , , ' , ' P /transcript24.html . I 356, G ' .T , P O T T S ,P , P P M .N , ' ' .I T , .I G , . L ' A , , , ' , . ' C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 7/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html Thebe , la ime e looked a Thebe , Thebe had eached a po i ion of po e pe hap g ea e han ha of A hen , b o emembe he dea h of Pelopida and Epaminonda impl did no allo Thebe o con in e o ha e ha i ali and po e ha i had befo e. I ' ill a e ong a e. I hopli e phalan i ill fo midable; he ill ha e g ea ambi ion and o on, b i n o he don' eall ha e he capaci o ake he lead in ch a b ine . The A henian do and he a e e m ch conce ned abo ha ' happening. B i ' no he ame A hen ha e a in he heigh of i po e in he fif h cen . Rela i el peaking, i i a e poo place indeed. I i , ho e e , ill he n mbe one na al po e in he G eek o ld and he efo e e impo an . Le ' ake a look a he in e nal life of A hen a li le bi and no ice ome change he ill ha e ome ignificance in e m of ha deci ion he A henian make. The e i ome hing ha a in od ced -- e don' kno j hen -- i migh ha e been la e in he Peloponne ian Wa i , migh ha e been af e a d . I i called he theoric f nd, and i ge i name appa en l beca e he e a a pa men o he A henian ci i en of he p ice nece a o pa fo he icke o ee he g ea hea ical fe i al ha en on ice a ea in A hen , hich had appa en l degene a ed p e m ch in o a dole, in o a kind of a elfa e f nd fo he e poo . I did no amo n o a nning amo n of mone , b gi en he po e of A hen in gene al, an f nd of mone co ld be e ignifican a c i ical momen , e peciall on i e of na ional defen e. B he e a a lo of a g men , a o of a democ a ic pa , he pa of he nde p i ileged o ha e e , al a in i en ha e e bod ' ppo ed o keep hand off he theoric f nd hich ho ld onl be ed fo i elfa e a e--I'm emba a ed o e ch a e m beca e of co e he e a no hing like ha in he ancien o ld. J fo ha po ion of he na ional income ha a ed o alle ia e he o po e he an ed ha n o ched, b hen he a e a nde iege, i a nde h ea , i a --had o go o a , o i eemed o ome poli ician , he needed mone o do i and a le ' ake he theoric f nd fo no hile e ha e hi nece i and he e o ld be a figh abo ha . Yo emembe he A henian Empi e in he fif h cen ? Ne e had a mone --no ne e , b co ld gene all handle i mone p oblem beca e i had hi g ea income f om he empi e, a o ghl 1,000 alen a ea coming in. Tha a no e. So, ha if A hen an ed o end an e pedi ion an he e, he had o le a di ec a a ; i a called he eisphora. The had done o o o h ee ime d ing he Peloponne ian Wa . A fa a e kno he had ne e done i befo e ha ime. We ha e e ed ho nna al di ec a a ion a in he G eek o ld, b he e ha ' ha he eall had. The had o pa hi eisphora, if he e e going o cond c a mili a and na al campaign ha he fel e e nece a . In fac , i ed o be e ha indi id al G eek back in he fif h cen co ld pa hei ha e, ha a a igned o hem fo he eisphora, indi id all , b no he e e o fe people ho co ld do ha he o gani ed g o p of a pa e hom he called s mmories ho o ld ha e he b den. I make me hink ha i p obabl ank f he do n he-- o of he eal h cla of A hen . Mo e people I g e e e no pa ing a e han befo e. In he fif h cen he onl people ho paid a e e e he e eal h and no ha I hink a a en a ed a people ho e e no o eal h had o pa ome hing a ell. Ano he hing i ha e find he A henian ing, a a eg la hing in he e campaign ha he ill ha e o figh , me cena oldie . I don' mean me cena ie of he Macedonian kind, he kind ha Philip a ing. I mean hi ing a band of me cena ie ho migh come f om an place in G eece. Tha a beca e he A henian e e el c an hem el e o go o on e pedi ion . No hing co ld be mo e diffe en I hink f om he a he A henian beha ed in he fif h cen hen he e e all o e he join , a o emembe , in 457 ha in c ip ion ha alked abo ho e died f om one ibe all o e he ba le. The e e p o d of i and he ne e an ho of oldie illing o do hi kind of hing. The a embl o ed i and he people in. No no . C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ /transcript24.html 8/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html The A henian a e el c an o engage in he e ac i i ie . O main o ce fo complain abo hi i Demo hene , ho m ch of he ime i pleading i h he A henian o ecogni e he dange p e en ed b Philip and fo hem o ake he nece a ep o check Philip befo e i a oo la e. Wha he a ked hem o do epea edl a o fi of all o e he mone ha a nece a o ppo he e pedi ion and hen no o hi e me cena ie b o e e hem el e in he figh ing, and he did no in ho e a g men e of en. The e e e in A hen h o gho hi pe iod people ha e o ld call in o o n ja gon ha k and do e ; people ho e e ead o figh fo he e p po e and people ho e e e el c an o do o. The people ho eemed o be he mo el c an o do hi e e he ppe cla e , of co e, beca e a mean a a ion and he e e going o do he b lk of he pa ing of he a e . I ma ell be--I don' an o make oo m ch of hi , Philip, he e e he co ld o ld in all oliga chic go e nmen in place ha he led. He a no in e e ed in democ ac ; he a no a f iend of democ ac . The e e e ome A henian ho had ne e gi en p hei hope ha an oliga ch co ld be placed in o A hen , in ead of a democ ac . The o ld ha e been do e and mo e. I mean, he e i a p e clea indica ion ha Philip did in A hen ha he did in o he a e a ell. He b ibed impo an A henian o be champion of hi ca e and he people i ' ea ie o ge hi o o k i h a e people ho ag ee i h o app oach, ho on o ide of he a g men . So, he e a ome of ha . I mean, he e a a eal diffe ence of opinion a he e al a i. We ho ld be e a a e of i and in ecen ea hi i he kind of hing o ee. Some people in ocie eeing a g ea dange o he e ha m be p epa ed fo and conf on ed, o he hinking ha ha i o e blo n, ha ha i oo pe imi ic, ha he e i no ch g ea dange o ha i can be be deal i h b nego ia ion and con e a ion, and an hing b figh ing, and ha a he i a ion in A hen . If o e e ho ile, if o e e a membe of he ha k fac ion, o o ld a o opponen e e del ding hem el e abo he deg ee of he dange and ha Philip a a e pecial kind of a menace. If o e e a do e o o ld acc e o opponen of being ala mi , e ce i el af aid and o e. Of co e, bo h ide acc ed each o he of m ch o e hing ha ing o do i h hei cha ac e and o on, a people al a do. The fi a emen e ha e of Demo hene , ho ill eme ge a he dominan ha k fo mo of he ime ha he i doing b ine in A hen i in 351, hen he deli e he peech ha e call he Fi Philippic. He deli e ed a e ie of peeche a acking Philip and a ning he A henian of he dange p e en ed b Philip. To hi da , philippic i a o d in Engli h hich mean a ong a acking piece of he o ic again ome indi id al o ome na ion. He cha ged he A henian i h ha ing c ea ed he g ea dange ha he faced b making Philip in o a g ea man h o gh neglec b hei ef al o op him hen i a ela i el ea o do o. The ho ld end, he ho gh , a flee , a good- i ed flee o e e in he no he n Aegean Sea and o op Philip' e pan ion and o op Philip pe iod. He ged hem, and he ill do hi o e and o e again. Don' hi e me cena ie , enli fo e ice o elf, o e fo a a , and ho e of o ho ho ld pa i ho ld do o. He lo he a g men . The A henian did no ake ha ac ion ha he ecommended. Philip, p e oon af e ha , a acked he Ol n hian ; o emembe Ol n h i an impo an a e on he Chalcidic Penin la; i ha been a e ignifican a e back in hi cen o emembe hen he Spa an en p he e o defea he Ol n hian ho had con c ed a leag e of hei . Well, he e en' o of b ine e . So, Philip en af e hem and, again, Demo hene ge he A henian o ge in ol ed and o p e en Philip f om aking Ol n h an he Chalcidic a e and gaining con ol of he no he n Aegean Sea and all he dange ha ha p e en ed o A henian in e e . Again, he lo e he a g men . He deli e h ee Ol n hiac peeche hich ha e he ame cha ac e a he one I' e de c ibed, b he A henian do no do i . C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ /transcript24.html 9/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html I 348 O , , .T G , , I , .T ' , , .W .Y , P .I , ', A , P .H ' . W I P . H , .S , A , , A A T T S M P .N G .S , .I , , T P , , .P .T ' A G , , ' /transcript24.html ' G P .T D S .I .F P ' W W R , A .I P P , ; A I , P P . ,I , D .F , M H , ' , P ,O G G G .T A ,N G , M P , ; A , G .Y , .S , , A A , 10/14 P . , , G W , P G ' G S W S .T W .T .I , P , D O -C , G .W , A D .I D .H . , O P M A , K P , C A , P . C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html , A ' .O A , , A .S , A , , P , . H ' .A , , A P N P -P , A A A P , , .T , ' T . .P , T .H A G C , A T , , A , ' , A A G , G .F E U , U S , , , .I' , ' P A ' /transcript24.html , , A .D A A P E ,M , ,A ' G , ,A P .I ,L , , T , ' S .H , H A , B , D I , , -- ; , G , ' P , . B B P . P . P P I' S W , A P ' , P .T ' 11/14 , H . P , S , , , I .S , , S I , P ' .D ' S A , E , , I' W , .A D P I . I H ' I .B A I , C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html .N ,I T L S , W ' ' A fait accompli, ' .W . .O , ' P W P D A ' D G , . .D , ' .H ' , ' , ' , A , .N ' ' , ' ' , S P T , .T B D .A , S .P , T A W .T ' E .O ' ,D , .I' , W A ' , .S , W C W C --I ; , D ' ' C T G ' , C , , ' , "T W ." G , ' C W ," , "I ' '.T W , .T F ' W -W ,A B T .B ,D .I , D A .S , ' A A . A , , , theoric , 370 A T T , /transcript24.html ' , .I' A A .H I , .W ' .D , E S pr tan .T I I , P , E , , A , , , , , , .B I .O .S T , ' 340 , , , . T 330 , 12/14 C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 2/7/12 transcript24.html T , B .O ' T I G G .A P .T T A , A D .W D , T ,D , .W P P , , I I G D , .S , D G , , , , .I .H .P G .A P , ,P 336 L C E ,C , P ' , P .H M A G , C ; '.P . T , B P .T , .T G , .F , 338 B G C ; S , G . P ' , .I , . ' .I D .A , ein advokaten republic, ' kliene St dte, D .G , B G ' D P .W M C .D M M , .C M R . D , D ' , I' .N ,I D H B , ' .T ; R , A , ? , --I . -?A E , , . .I , .T ' , , D Y , .I W W , . N , I /transcript24.html C B C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ 13/14 2/7/12 transcript24.html and di a e can be e ibl hin. Taking office a a lo poin in he fo ne of hi co n and i allie , Ch chill made a famo peech, hich j b ea hed defiance hen he e a no ph ical j ifica ion fo ch a po i ion. He aid hi , "I ha e m elf f ll confidence ha if all do hei d , if no hing i neglec ed, and if he be a angemen a e made a he a e being made, e hall p o e o el e once again able o defend o i land home. To ide o he o m of a and o o li e he menace of ann , if nece a fo ea , if nece a alone, e hall go on o he end, e hall figh in F ance, e hall figh on he ea and he ocean , e hall figh i h g o ing confidence and g o ing eng h in he ai , and e hall defend o i land, ha e e he co ma be. We hall figh on he beache , e hall figh on he landing g o nd , e hall figh in he field , and in he ee , and e hall figh in he hill , e hall ne e ende ." Ye England came i hin a hai ' b ea h of lo ing ha a and ffe ing he ho o of in a ion and occ pa ion b Na i Ge man . In fac , had Hi le and G e ing con in ed bombing he RAF' landing field and g o nd facili ie a he began o do i h he Ba le of B i ain, in ead of ning a a f om ha and ing hei plane o bomb ci ie and ca ing ci ilian , i ' e clea o me ha Ge man o ld ha e on he Ba le of B i ain and con ol of he ai , hich o ld ha e made hei cce ine i able. No imagine ha i had gone ha a ; in ha ca e, Ch chill' b lldog de e mina ion, hi ef al o accep ha a a ela i el gene o peace offe af e he fall of F ance, o ld eem in e o pec he ong-headed defiance of a man, ho b o gh hi people lo b hi o n in an igence. He o ld ha e been ea ed, I hink b hi o , a ome kind of a gallan fool, ome kind of a b a e imbecile. B men like Ch chill and Demo hene kno ha ho e ho lo e libe m figh fo i , e en again odd , e en hen he e i li le ppo , e en hen ic o eem impo ible. In pi e of he o come, i eem o me ha he and of A hen and i G eek allie a Chae onea ma ha e been in o d ha Ch chill ed in ano he con e , " hei fine ho ." Thank o e m ch. [end of an c ip ] back o op C:/Users/JIMMIN~1/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.901/ /transcript24.html 14/14 ...
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