Putney_debate - 1 Extract from the debates at the General...

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1 Extract from the debates at the General Council of the Army, Putney . 29 October 1647 At the General Council of the Army, Putney, 29 October 1647 (The paper called the Agreement read. Afterwards the first article read by itself: 'That the people of England being at this day very unequally distributed by counties, cities and boroughs for the election of their deputies in parliament, ought to be more indifferently proportioned according to the number of inhabitants . .. ') Commissary-General Henry Ireton : The exception that lies in it is this. It is said they ('the people of England etc.') are to be distributed according to the number of the inhabitants. This does make me think that the meaning is that every man that is an inhabitant is to be equally considered, and to have an equal voice in the election of the representers — those persons that are for the General Representative. And if that be the meaning then I have something to say against it. But if it be only that those people that by the civil constitution of this kingdom, which is original and fundamental, and beyond which I am sure no memory of record does go . .. Commissary Nicholas Cowling (interrupting): Not before the Conquest. Ireton : But before the Conquest it was so. If it be intended that those that by that constitution that was before the Conquest that has been beyond memory, such persons that have been before by that constitution the electors should be still the electors, I have no more to say against it. .. Ireton then asked whether those men whose hands are to the Agreement , or those that brought it, 'do know so much of the matter as to know whether they mean that all that had a former right of election are to be electors, or that those that had no right before are to come in?' Cowling : In the time before the Conquest. Since the Conquest the greatest part of the kingdom was in vassalage. Maximilian Petty : We judge that all inhabitants that have not lost their birthright should have an equal voice in elections. Colonel Thomas Rainborough : I desired that those that had engaged in it might be included. For really I think that the poorest he that is in England has a life to live as the greatest he; and therefore truly, sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that government; and I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that government that he has not had a voice to put himself under. And I am confident that when I have heard the reasons against it, something will
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2 be said to answer those reasons — insomuch that I should doubt whether he was an Englishman or no that should doubt of these things. Ireton
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