2009-01-28_ChurchHistory

2009-01-28_ChurchHistory - Page 1 of 4 Church History David...

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Page 1 of 4 Church History David Steinmetz January 28, 2009 The Fourth Latern Council takes up the question of how to talk about the Lord’s Substance. What is the relation between what a thing is: a piggishness; substance What are the characteristics of a thing: eat anything, omnivores; accidents Pigs are particularly unfriendly if you call them to have something to eat, and you’ve not put any food out for them. And they are related to the bear, you know. Ususally, what a thing is, and what it’s qualities are remain pretty stable. This is all from Aristotle. But they don’t change drastically. So for example, the pictures of us at 6 weeks, for example. The accidents haven’t changed. The body and blood, through the act of consecration, something objective has happened. This way of looking is attacked during the 16 th century by theologians who have problems with the theory. Many of these people don’t believe that Christ is not absence. They just don’t believe that Christ’s presence can’t be described by the accidents and substance of these things. And both bread and wine are both body and blood. A fellow who is the chief cleric in the city of Zurich Zwingli: a Leutepriest. He’s not happy with the Doctrine of Transubstantiation, so he tries to work out an alternative way to talk about it. Frequently people will tell you that all you have is bread or wine that is presence of something else – a memorial. But that’s not really true. Steinmetz had a crazy Latin teacher, a real space cadet. They would prompt her to get off subject, which she did very easily. The nemonic devise VIBGYOR. A nmemonic devise to help you remember something you otherwise may not remember: to remind you of Christ’s last meal. It’s not just a memorial. Even Anabaptists! Zwingli looks at the Lord’s Supper and he has certain problems. He is in rebellion to the material culture of the late Medival period. Unhappy with the material way. “The flesh profits nothing – it is the spirit that makes alive.” Life is not communicated to us by bread and wine and water, and therefore bread and wine and water should be treated as creatures and not treated as if it were God. That’s problematic, because it’s the spirit that makes alive.
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This note was uploaded on 02/27/2012 for the course CHHIST 14 taught by Professor Davidsteinmetz during the Spring '09 term at Duke.

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