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Unformatted text preview: abandon of Socratic irony and elenchus. Socrates is now constructive to the argument.-G and A take up Ts argument, it is a little different, more moderate and has a long persuasive history. -Glaucon starts by saying there are three things how we can understand justice as a good. 1. In and of themselves, not instrumental. 2. Bring goods with them, utility or instrumentally good, not in and of themselves. 3. Things that are both 1 and 2.-Glaucon says Socrates wants to claim justice as something of the 3 rd type.-Socrates hasnt made the case for this yet. Why should we be just.-Socrates takes up the argument to show how it is good in and of itself, and how it is an instrumental good.-Glaucon tells a story of how justice comes into the world, a contract view of justice.-Individuals are fundamentally self interested. (this is taking justice as treating people the right way)....
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