1.19.12 - 1.19.12 PHIL 225g Spring 2012 Lecture 4...

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1.19.12 PHIL 225g Spring 2012 Lecture 4 outline--Symposium II Platonic/Socratic dialogues Socrates questions Agathon 199D ff.--elenchus characteristic philosophical method of Socrates question-answer or definition-counterexample, followed by emendation, followed by refutation . . . Stages: love is desire of something not nothing; love is for what is lacking or wanting (connection with desire); love is desire for beauty; therefore love lacks beauty, or is not beautiful; at 201C Agathon admits he doesn’t know what he was talking about in his speech; Socrates concludes with parallel argument, since love is desire for what’s good, it is not good itself Never left anything written he typically would to station hiself in the Agora in Athens o This was a marketplace in Athens in this one flat part o And would attack young disciples that were aristocrats o The themes of the socratic writings was the apologies for replacing the old gods with new gods Liken by sofist By giving political speeches, you need to be well spoken and training the minds of the young people in Athens o In order to allow them to discover the truth and allow the truth to be passed on to others o Plato was his student Wrote early dialogues with socrates Socrates recounts Diotima’s questioning of him (201D ff.) She ran him through same elenchus
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