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it’s different, right? But then it’s like, “Oh, I need this medicated.” “Oh, I can’t do this,” and it just presents itself as an excuse, but people don’t know what’s an acceptable range of pain and when it’s actually pathologic. Devon: Right, right, right. Sam: And then is it just a mental manifestation of their depression? Devon: Yeah. Yeah. The scale of pain is very interesting. Sam: Yes. Devon: So, it’s true. Some people don’t want any pain in their life at all. Sam: Right. And then you have to give them a wake up call, like, oh, you know, that stress and anxiety and the pain, all that. I can’t medicate that shit away. Like unless you’re dead. And when I was talking to people on my unit, uh, no, you probably
96OVERCOME TRAINING INJURIESremained suicidal if that’s the case. Devon: Yeah, yeah. It’s like a part of your balance. Sam: Right. And so it’s a matter of being able to manage it, and they aren’t aware of their bodies the way athletes are. Devon: It’s very interesting to me, this whole subject because my brother, unfortunately he’s passed away, but my brother was part of the very small percentage of the population and he was a body modifier. He was the editor for one of the original body modification communities in the world. Anyways, so I talked to him a lot about this kind of subject and what he told me was pain, reception and interpretation is actually formed In Utero. So you actually are born with your pain interpretation intact. Like, so when you were a child, there’s a spectrum and he said, so much of it has to do with testosterone In Utero. The more test, for whatever reason, it changes the way your brain works. He said in some cases it goes so far… And in his community, this is where a lot of the people sit where they actually had those wires kind of very different, where pain actually feels good to them. Like it’s actually the more pain they feel, it’s actually crossed so that it feels good. So they do all sorts of self mutilation because to them it’s interpreted as… and, and I feel like there’s a spectrum there. So I, in my biased opinion, this is unhealthy and not productive to, you know, getting the goals that you’re after in life. Like, I don’t think hurting yourself is typically what most people do to achieve what they’re trying to do. Sam: I wonder how much of this is learned. Devon: That’s the thing, right? And he told me that he thought that it was from In Utero. And the reason he told me this is
97OVERCOME TRAINING INJURIESbecause primarily, um, the distribution of the people that he worked with, the only people who are really crazy into pain are men. Like, 0.2% of women are into this. Like if you’re a woman who’s into pain, you’re a complete outlier, like complete. But men, it’s actually much more common. So he theorized that it was testosterone based In Utero. And then on top of that he said that the populations that he saw it most predominant in were very high performing men, like CEO’s of companies, doctors, lawyers, well educated, well performing, high salary. These guys are very commonly into pain.