36:35Donald Meichenbaum And have there been other people in your life who have also, as you've described it, belittled you? 36:45Anna Uh hmm. Donald Meichenbaum Criticized you like that? Anna Well, Patrick's been the person in my life for the past 18 years. 36:50Donald Meichenbaum What, what about before Patrick? Were there? 36:55Anna Uhm. 37:05 [sil.] Anna Well, I guess my father . 37:10Donald Meichenbaum Hmm. 37:15Anna He was like that to me, too. Donald Meichenbaum Yeah, he also belit-- (crosstalk) 37:20Anna Belittled me, yes. 37:25Donald Meichenbaum criticized you? Anna Yes. Donald Meichenbaum Sarcastic? Anna Uh hmm, uh hmm, cold. 37:30Donald Meichenbaum Told you, you couldn't go on? Anna Right. Donald Meichenbaum Cold? Anna Told me I couldn't go to school. Donald Meichenbaum Uh hmm. Anna I wasn't smart enough to go on to school. Donald Meichenbaum Yeah. 37:35Anna Hmm. Donald Meichenbaum And perhaps it would be useful for us to sort of talk about what went on then? What was the impact?
37:45Donald Meichenbaum With this discussion, we began to uncover Anna's story of how her core schemes are or beliefs that she is worthless and a total failure had developed and how she learned to engage in depressive forms of thinking such as seeing things as black or white and magnifying negative events. 38:05Donald Meichenbaum In the eighth session, Anna continued to discuss the relationship she had with her father and its ongoing impact. She was able to put into words, perhaps for the first time, her anger toward him. 38:15SESSION 9 Anna Well, it's been better this week, I think, uhm. I haven't had any panic attacks. 38:25Donald Meichenbaum Uh-huh. Anna But I don't know why I, I feel kind of worse, actually. I'm. (crosstalk) 38:35Donald Meichenbaum Worse in, in what way? Anna Well, more depressed. I've been thinking about a lot of things and it just kind of makes me feel terrible. 38:45Donald Meichenbaum Like, what kinds of things have you been? 38:50Anna Well, like we talked, I've been trying to think about my father in that time of my life and why I'm depressed now and I haven't been then or in the past- (crosstalk) 39:00Donald Meichenbaum Uh hmm. Anna - many years. Why now am I having these attacks and these depressions? 39:05Donald Meichenbaum Yeah. Anna I don't understand. Donald Meichenbaum You mentioned something in one of our earlier sessions that this was the time now, how, how did you put it? This is the time that your, your daughter - (crosstalk) 39:15Anna Oh. Donald Meichenbaum - was the age of. (crosstalk) Anna That's right. I, I was my daughter's age when my mother died- (crosstalk) 39:20Donald Meichenbaum Uh hmm. Anna - ah, of cancer. 39:25Donald Meichenbaum Just about this time? Anna Exactly. I was 13, just like Lizzie is now. 39:30Donald Meichenbaum What was it like back there when you were 13? Anna My father was depressed then and drinking a lot.